“Lo barappa tindi madbarona, ivattu
saturday; late aadre , it will be rush. Hage barappa alliyaru Juliet
illa baa!”, said Romeo's friend.
Romeo: is it necessary to take in
Juliet always in the discussion? I dont know why my parents kept my
name as Romeo, “RWJ” could have been better.
Romeo's friend: whats that!
Romeo: Romeo without Juliet!... ha ha.
Both laugh, discussion goes on,
covering topic about some of most irrelevant topics that they have
found either in facebook or twitter or in there company. Its a 10 min
walk from where they live, to a near by resturant. Its a daily
routine to both, walking along the same lane, watching beyound
horizon, watching out for new things in their unchanged and
unchangable area. For Romeo's friend its always same, nothing make
much difference, either a new restaurant or new neighbour or new girl
next door. Romeo couldn't have bothered much of all these things
except about new girl who have rented apartment in their lane.
Aristippus: Aha! Thats my boy. A girl ,
what kind of Girl? Sexy, hot or ok ok type. ? What you want from that
girl? Is it...
RWJ: oh oh...wait a min before you
assume thing who are you??
Aristippus: Me, i am student of
Socrates ,founder of hedonism; the philosophy of pleasure . I am the
guy who said physical pleasure are more powerful then mental one;
which people say i proved it by keeping prostitute in my house.
RWJ: dude !!! pros. Come on that too in
house.
Aristippus: you drink right. You also
smoke right.
RWJ: yes thats true. But why that
question?
Macintrye: Because I , Macintrye, long
back asked “What is good for Human Being?”. Aristippus was one of
thefirst who came out with answer ,that pleasure is the one thats
good for humans.
Aristippus: Before , you RWJ, get
confused let me introduce Macintrye , you know his question right.
His question brought storm in philosopy . Before you also ask “whats
happening?”, i would like to inform you that what ever happening
,is happening in your mind, your physical body is safe ; is safely
walking with all normal funtion, with your friend.
RWJ: whats is it all for.
Epicurus: you will get to know by the
end of discussion.
Aristippus: why on earth you came
along, had he read you?
Epicurus: Aaha, discussion need me, i
need to contradict you about your notion of physical pleasure. What
you say Macintrye?
Macintrye: kalá eÃpe(well said),
human culture is filled with emotivism. Its void of rational
argument. And as you know socrates once said “people dont see same
things when they are under emotive grip ”. our role is only tell
RWJ whats right and wrong.
Aristippus: you and your relativism.
Physical pleasure is rational thing.
Epicurus : you are misleading RWJ.
Aristippus: AHa me leading him , my
comtemporary, its 21 century ...wake up,its not your time of 3rd
century B.C. Let me ask some questions to RWJ if he permits.
Aristippus say pointing towards still
confused, awkardly looking RWJ.
RWJ: me!! questions!!! ok.
Aristippus: why do you smoke ? Why do
you drink? Why you keep cigartte box in your pocket? Why is Bacardi
in your cupboard?
RWJ: wow!!wow! Slow down, i am not
going to answer you all these, its my personal matters dude. Its
about privacy.
Epicurus: would you want us dig into
it, we are in you mind , we do have access to all.
Seemingly more confused RWJ replies:
well then, here is thing. I like smoking, its gives me a kind of
pleasure. I am addicted to it now so i keep it. About drinking i
occasionally drink, i love rum.
Aristippus : thats what i am talking
about. Its about pleasure, your pleasure. Pleasure from smoking,
pleasure from drinking. Pleasure from working etc right.
RWJ: Right
Epicurus: Dont put words in his mouth
Aristippus!
Aristippus: RWJ is hedonist of my
type, not of yours. He like physical pleasure, he goes to party, he
enjoy being lazy, he enjoy watching porn. He is classical hedonist.
Epicurus: well well, if he is hedonist
, let me ask him question about girls. Why do you like that girl? Is
it because you badly want to get physical pleasure by seeing her or
do you want have sex with her? Or would you like to go to prostitute
in order to full fill your sexual desire.
RWJ: Are you insane, are you out of
your mind. Is It my mind asking these stupid question? I better shut
it down.
Socrates: wow wow! RWJ dont do that, we
are sorry, i will apologise on behalf of these. They dont have idea
of indology. But these are question to be answer. And i would like to
request to my fellow philosopher to frame question that have cultural
sensitivity.
M K Gandhi : Yes well said socrates,
soul is not combination or permutation of all the available solutions
and know resposnes of the body, its not sofware. Its beyond that. RWJ
you will discover it.
Aristippus: let RWJ respond.
RWJ: well i now know what Aristippus
want to convey. Its not about sex. Ya it can be said that indian
culture is not open system, which doesnt mean that we have sexual
desire, so strong that we like girl only because of that. Its about
some thing that makes my heart beat faster than normal, its, that
make me to come out with good dress to resturant, its what make me to
see again and again across the table to have just a look at her. Its
about things called decency that props up when she cross us. Its calm
me down, its her look that make my proud eyes to find things in air.
Its my desire to be in relationship, a relationship of care , a
relationship which is trust worthy.
Gilligan: well said RWJ, its me
Gilligan who introduced Ethics of care in this male dominated world
of non emotivism. You are right what you say about care part in your
answer.
Aristippus: RWJ, you said you are
addicted to smoke, why often you smoke, is it that if you dont smoke
again again, what do you loose.? Is it pleasure ? Or do you smoke to
keep pain out.
Epicurus: do you want to prove RWJ a
hedonist of your type. Again.
RWJ: let me answer this Epicurus, yes i
need to smoke again and again beause it need to . pleasure from it
dont last. But you cant equate that to “looking again and again
towards her to have pleasure which according to you is physical
pleasure.”
Plato : where is socrates? why cant
socrates tell us about Desire.?
Epicurus: rememeber he never wrote
book, you are the one who wrote on his behalf. That what RWJ mind
knows, so you better speak.
Plato: ham .. all i can say is about 3
things : logos, thumos, appetumia.
Epictetus: dude no greek!
Plato: well-come Epitetus. The
derivator of habit. Let me now concentrate on appetumia ie desires,
appetite. Humans does have desires, which are natural. Its upto the
guy in question weather he want to pursue the desire, which may make
person pleasure seeking, which might boil down to wealth seeking.
Epictetus: i can add that if this
thought is not controlled by a choice which every one has , will lead
to habit. Its same as RWJ has smoking habit. He do have a choice of
not to smoke and pursue other mental desire.
Epicurus: discussion is going out of
control, our dude will never understable his current dilemma. Nimanna
bitre harikatene bardabidtira.
Aristippus: so its not about physical
pleasure, when you see her.
RWJ: i am sure its not about physical
pleasure, its more like mental pleasure. I kind of agree with
Epicurus's mental pleasure.
Epicurus: I suppose Aristippus got the
answer, RWJ might be hedonist of your type in smoking which i call
pleasure which is not natural and not necessary. But in this case
desire to have companion is a pain which RWJ is reducing by seeing
forward to that girl, which he might end up by proposing her.
RWJ: Hold on a second.... dont you
think Epicurus, you are going way beyond your imagination.
Bentham: every desire need to have
motive; motive will search for action and action will give you
outcome. When you have desire to be close to her, then why not have
motive of proposing her and having relationship.
RWJ: who are you?
Aristotle: I always talked about
purpose and point , ends and means to get happiness. But people side
lined me, they all now listen to Bentham, the guy who just spoke with
you RWJ.
RWJ: WOW! What now, i suppose
discussion about pleasure and pain is over or what?
Epicurus: Kind of, we are guides, we
dont decide we just suggest, its you who need to decide.
RWJ: so my looking at girls while
walking along road, in resturant, office etc is natural or is it
habit which will boil down to a bad character trait.?
Epicurus: Yes , they are natural but
!!!
Plato: you need to control your desires
and urges. Concentrate more on mental pleasures. As Epictetus said
you do have a choice. making no choice in your desire for pleasure is
a bad habit, especially in case of sexual desire , that to in India,
where social rules are strong.
Immenual Kant: RWJ , in society like
Indian, autonomy is less. Here concept of heteronomy rules ie you
cant decide for yourself. But there are section of society in your
own society which encouarge autonomy. So are you an autonomous person
or you accept heteronomy.?
RWJ: does autonomy means having free
will in all aspects of life.
Kant: No, treating yourself autonomus
means ,you are neither the end nor the means of the project.
RWJ: what !!! speak in english boss.
Kant: it means, in simple word you must
not be mean person, or you dont use people to get what you needed.
RWJ: what does this question have to do
with girl?
Kant: i have doubt that you might want
that girl because she is hot or she is rich or something else?
RWJ: 1st point i dont know her, we
havent met yet. But it might that she is beautiful. Is it wrong to be
with beautiful people.
Kant: there is nothing wrong in being
with, unless you have a wrong intention to persue.
RWJ: define wrong intention?
Kant: getting in relation only to have
physical pleasure? Or cheating her ?
RWJ: no not so , i dont have such
intention. Can we go beyond this pleasure topic?
Kant: why?
M K Gandhi: In India speaking about sex
is taboo. You all have started to use word” physical plaesure ”
instead of sex. That Indian effect.
Kant : Answer then: are you ready to
marry any girl of any region, religion, caste etc if you like her? Do
you have reservation of any kind to any thing regarding a girl that
you want to marry? These are gerenal question , not specific to that
girl.
RWJ: i am autonomus person as per my
definition; i choose for my self. But i cant guarantee the same of my
family.
Kant: so you are saying your family
believes in contemporary social marriage laws of you religion. Right.
RWJ: yes
Kant: Then i can say that ,they can be
heteronomist to you in certain issue like marriage etc. What about
your reservations?
RWJ: i do have general reservation, may
be i haven't thought about it.
Kant: if you have reservation and you
have historical reason to be heteronomist, then there is tendency to
not to respect autonomy and hence be heteronomist toward your girl.
Which may have different consequence than you are intended in the
first place.
RWJ: ooh..ufoo i am getting confused
now, cant you explain in simple words.?
Kant: every one has the same query
about my explaination. Here is thing , there is concept of “free
will “ which helps to choose things and is upholder of autonomy. If
you dont have autonomy ,you may not wish to encourage it either,
which might be detrimental to the free will of your love one, which
might make them unhappy. Not respecting autonomy distort the
intention which may bring different and undesirable consequences.
Gilligan: kant want to say that you may
think, you have good intention but inherently you may not and hence
your action and consequence may go wrong.
RWJ: ham! He may be right. I havent
discovered much. And i dont know her intention, or what type of
person she is ? Whats she values?
Aristotle : what do you think about
means to get her? Do you have clarity about your goal? Do you have
accountibility of these goals?
RWJ: what? She is not thing , so that i
need to find means to get her.
Aristotle: my apologise; means meaning
ways to get in touch with her.
RWJ: I havent thought about it, however
i dont want to be seen has jerk when i approach her.
Aristotle: it means , you want to have
frame work of socially approved character traits. Right
RWJ: yes and can approaching a stranger
that to a girl is socially execptable?
Aristotle : approaching a girl is not a
wrong thing unless you have wrong intention for approach. But is the
approach itself wrong intention. May not be so ,its ends, ends are
good and means are also good. But does your culture allow it ? Yes it
may or may not. If your culture doesnt allow , then it might be
termed as vice. In your word being a jerk.
Aristotle : let me ask you question.
Where do you find the happiness. Is it in Honour? Is it in Pleasure ?
Or Is it in wealth?
RWJ: isn't happiness independent of
these?
Aristotle : offcourse it is
independent. According to me these all give happiness, no doubt about
it. But its virtue such as honesty brings real happiness. Its above
all.
RWJ: you mean to say i must not show
off my wealth, pleasure and honours to get to my loved one. Instead i
need to be honest and not try to make up the things.
Aristotle : right. And we dont have
control over your character traits but we do have control over our
actions. These need to be channelised so that it become a habit, a
virtue habit. Like being courages.
RWJ: if happiness is end Aristotle,
what if my happiness is in contradiction of my family happiness, who
are heteronomist.?
Aristotle : you need to check with the
concept of Duty vs Happiness of kant.
Kant: here i am.
RWJ: do you have questions?
Kant: a lot of . To whom does these
duties belong to ? Is it duty for sake of duty or Does it have
elements of inclination. Inclination meaning intention of duty.
RWJ: what is duty for sake of duty?
Kant: people do their duty for sake of
happiness, for sake of social compulsion, for sake of honour, for
sake of status etc. Have you every done a duty without expecting
reward or praise or when it hasn't given happiness . If yes ,then
such duties are “duty for sake of duty”. In Nepotism, corruption
people perform duty for sake of other things , these type are
inclined duties. Hope you got the point.
RWJ: yes! But what how does this links
with happiness and how this could stop me for not being happy.
Kant: man according to me has duty to
be happy however its may not be strict duty. Strict duties comes with
rights, that is right of others for whom your duties are directed to.
Aristotle: i can add a point that your
upbringing could effect how you persue the things.
Kant: yes aristotle is right. Family is
your upbringing unit. So do you have duty towards them ? Are they
strict duties or meritorious? To what extent you are ready to
sacrifice thing like feeling, happiness, pleasure, wealth to perform
your duty.? What if your family doesnt approve your relation? So will
you sacrifice your happiness, your pleasure of being with your girl
etc for sake of family ? Or are you ready to conserve happiness of
your girl and perform duty of relationship without caring duties of
your family?
RWJ: Now i am getting why you people
never got committed. Is deciding ,to be in relationship so
difficult.?
Kant: RWJ, you havent answered my
question.
RWJ: yes my family as all indian
families are... is culture centric. Caste and religion are
undiffering issues when it comes to marriage. But as i am autonomous
i can make duty towards my family as non strict duty. However i will
and need to maintain good will towards both duties ie both for family
and loved girl. Does it morally stands, kant?
Kant: it may. Good will is good because
of your intentions. If your intentions are good towards your loved
girl and family, then consequences will be good. But i can be good in
my societal frame work, indian society is different. You better know
it, RWJ.
Ross: RWJ, i am W D Ross, there are
some prima facie duties that need to taken care of.
duty of Gratitude: i.e towards
your parents.
duty of justice: towards both
girl and family.
duty of self improvement : not
getting much in mess like these.
duty of fidelity: both implicit
and explicit.
RWJ: Ross does these apply same for
every one.
Ross: may not be so, each case is
differnet. But some times some socially acceptable norms or
utilitarian norms does take precedent to your thought.
J S Mill: yes in society, things works
in utilitarian frame work.
RWJ: what does that mean?
J S Mill: greater happiness for greater
number of people. Which means to say if the act that creates
happiness for large number must be encouraged. Which may boil down to
arugement that marraiges must happen with broad concent.
RWJ: Mill dont you think that it can be
contested? And what about right of those who doesnt agree with
majority in family frame work?
J S Mill: now you are becoming good
learner. Yes it has been contested. However intra caste marriages ,
intra religious marriages have social acceptance because they are on
majority side. Inter caste or inter religious marriages brings
happiness to some section but for broader section , they dont get
happiness. It might be beacasue of society being heteronomy rather
than autonomous. This may not be good but its acceptable and these
socially acceptable things doesnt come with pain for society. Its
society point of view.
RWJ: what about right?
J S Mill: yes individual have right,
which till now society hasn't learnt much to respect, but hope it
will especially indian society will learn. Hope inter caste and inter
religion and region marraiges become utilitarian in concept.
Aristippus: RWJ, have you ever thought
that , to approach a girl you need to think so much so that you
forgot what you want.
RWJ: Ham! Thats true i am normal
person, i thought these people will discuss and will conclude the
thing, making my work easy, but no, they havent. Things are much more
complicated now.
Aristippus: ha ha ... now you know ,you
might be thinking that why i am being with them brought out simple
and straight forward concept of pleasure.
RWJ: no Aristippus you are not right
now! You are right about physical pleasure and lust but not about
other thing. Life doesnt just revolve around pleasure.
Socrates/Plato: very well said, we
achieved what we intended to. We never give conclusion, we suggest,
its you who have to decide. We will be present when you have dilemma,
dilemma is good.
Gilligan: Excuse me!! i have question
for all male scholars and to you RWJ. ?
Every say in corus : what ? Questions ?
Not now...
Gilligan : Have you ever thought ,what
girl might be thinking about RWJ and what are her thought about all
your big thoughts?
End of mental conversation
“Yenadru order madappa, asta guraisi
nodbedpa. Yed hogyalu”, said Romeo's earth friend. As he said Romeo
got back to this world only to see that girl has gone out of sight.